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The Mists Of Avalon (1984)

The Mists of Avalon (1984)

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0345350499 (ISBN13: 9780345350497)
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Good lord, I haven't ever hated a book as much as this one.I picked up The Mists of Avalon because I really love Nordic myths, and usually any stories about King Arthur. Everyone seems to adore this book; even my librarian told me that this was a really good Arthurian tale! Well, it's not. It's horrible.First, let me say how turned off I was by all the bashing and hating there was of Christianity. And I'm saying this as the atheist that I am-- I don't believe in God, yet that doesn't mean I am not bothered by the unnecessary, and often narrow-minded and uneducated hate towards a religion. That's all there was in the first 150 pages, and it was a very recurring theme throughout the book. As if having one stupid priest wasn't enough, the authur just had to fit in several more and call each stupider than the previous.Yeah, there were dumb/evil priests and followers of that religion, but there will always be bad people who call themselves followers of a religion. However, that doesn't mean the religion is outright evil, okay? There were dumber than sh!t Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists and whatnot and there always will be. But you can't call a whole sect bad based on it's worst people. If you did that then you might as well hate the entire human race and live in a hole the rest of your life because there are some really evil/idiotic people out there. And all this blabbering about stupid, mean, cowardly priests did nothing to advance the plot. At all. I mean if you wanted to write a book in which the antagonists were all evil Christians then you're on the right track, but this was supposed to be a book on King Arthur, dang it, not of your personal hate issues with Christians. Personally, I really don't like it when authors bring up religions in books that aren't nonfiction theology/psychology/history works. Stuff gets brushed over and embellished to make the book in question seem more interesting; and it's infuriating what you'll read. That's exactly the case with The Mists of Avalon. Keep that in mind, Marion Zimmer Bradley. You can rant to a therapist, but don't take it out on a book THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT A WELL-LOVED FANTASY TALE. Just don't take it out on a book in general. Although, based on this book's rating, people loved all the hate on Christians. *Snort* People these days shovel down any garbage given to them.What's worse, the author couldn't seem to create a halfway decent female protagonist in all the 800+ pages and the countless women characters.Igraine? No. She's a whiney pushover who convinces herself she's in love with a man her husband hates because she hears a prophecy that she's supposed to bear that man's child (if I heard a prophecy like that, I'd run away screaming, avoid the guy who's supposed to knock me up, and in case he did come near me I'd at least have pepper spray handy). Okay, she didn't love Gorlois, but he was good to her up until she started spending time with a man he clearly distrusted and told her to stay away from (not that I really like Gorlois, but wouldn't you be freaking mad if your wife/husband got all cozy with someone you consider evil?). And besides stabbing her husband, Igraine doesn't do anything. She just sits at home. Wow, my new hero.Vivianne plotted adultery and incest, acted like she loved everyone, but in reality, did horrible things to them. She was even surprised when Galahad, who she barely had anything to do with, didn't love her. Also, did anyone else notice how Vivianne always corrected people and told them "All gods and goddesses are one" and then proceeded to ridicule the Christian God and call him and his followers morons? Hah. I don't know if that was meant to be funny, or if Ms. Bradely was just too stupid to notice the contradiction. Morgaine failed at everything in life. I felt bad for her at being used like that, then for being rejected by Lancelet. But then again, she couldn't care less for her child, hated pretty much innocent Gwenhwyfar, and came up with plans to have Lancelet sleep with her even though she knew he didn't love her; so whatever sympathy I had for her went pretty quick. And it gets even better - she gets married, sleeps with several more people, goes to Avalon again and acts like she's the main goddess, even though she did so many un-goddess like things. I loved how Niniane thought "She should be here in my place, the GREAT Morgaine of the Fairies!" HAH! What did Morgaine ever do besides sleep with her own brother? Gwenhwyfar was worse than Igraine. On the other hand, it was so obvious that Bradely created her solely to make fun of Christians. She must have been like "Oh, I'll create this woman who's a dumb little bitch in heat who everyone will hate. And, bonus: I'll mention how beautiful she is every two pages to make sure all the female readers will be jealous of her and hate her even more! Then I'll make sure to have her pretend to be a pious follower of Christ (even though, in reality, an adulteress is not a pious follower of Christ) and I'll have created a perfect epitome of all Christian women to show the world what nasty morons they are! Yay!!"I mean really? And a lot of people actually agree with this exaggerated, biased, ridiculous nonsense.When I was browsing through 5-star reviews of this book to try and understand why exactly human beings love this trash, someone actually said "...this book makes me want to leave behind my life and become a pagan..." ! (That wasn't the exact quote, but that was the gist of it.)I just... I can't even... Oh yes I can. Become a pagan, then, and have a baby with your own brother at a drunken bonfire. Next, make sure you neglect your child and run around effing tons of other men! By the way, back then protection didn't exist; so be sure not to use any of that either, and see how many STDs and unwanted pregancies you'll get. Homeless and vulgar, isn't Morgaine's portrayal of a pagan lifestyle just wonderful?! Back to the characters - the males were all one-dimensional and flat. They were all extremely handsome and extremely skilled knights and extremely horny. *Coughs* A little originality, please, Bradely? Maybe divert from your view that all men are chauvinist pigs?The one character I kind of liked was Morgause - she's independent, seemed to have a good relationship with her children, and kept Morgaine's secret. But she was so slutty that I stopped rooting for her.There also seemed to be a whole lot of describing boring day-to-day activities that, just like all the Christian hate, did nothing to advance the plot. It's like, somebody gets up, stares in the mirror and thinks about some complicated love web, goes downstairs, starts knitting, talks to an old woman who came in from the cold... *47 pages later something tiny happens that helps the story along*. Then another good 1/5 of the book was made up of describing how beautiful this and this person was, and then another person is introduced who is WAY MORE beautiful, and so on and so on. In Morgaine's case, it was terrible. One minute she's plain, then someone calls her beautiful, then she's called ugly, then she's supposed to have an inner beauty, then Morgain does something horrible so I can't see what inner beauty they're talking about, then she's beautiful, ugly, beautiful, ugly...Like, did the author have bipolar attacks while writing this? I honestly don't spend a whole lot of time detailing characters' faces. Tell me they're tall, red-haired, have a scar on their face and that's just perfect. I'm interested in the plot, not the size of everybodys' big toes. Seriously!The writing itself could have been okay, but because its subject was crap, it was not okay. This book was bad, it really was. After a good 150 pages, I just skimmed another 500, and then skipped the last part and skimmed the epilogue. I honestly could care less what happens. I'm against book burning, but I'd probably spray extra kerosene on a stack of The Mists of Avalon copies if I had the chance.

In 2007 I joined Goodreads and wrote reviews of some of the books that had most transformed me as a reader. I have since, over the years, taken an absurd amount of geek pride that my review of this book is (I think) the most popular one. And for everyone writing "GET OVER YOURSELF" in the comments, as a response to my using my own little corner of the internet to tell a story about how my life as a writer and a Catholic and a woman was shaped by this book, there were a dozen other women responding "OH MY GOD, ARE YOU ME?" I love that. I love this weird little internet mini-community we've built out of being weirdo outcast girls who felt inspired and empowered by this book about a weirdo outcast girl who becomes a raging badass. And then today I read this: http://www.teleread.com/writing/mario...And this: http://deirdre.net/marion-zimmer-brad...And this: http://deirdre.net/marion-zimmer-brad...And this: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014...And about twenty more.Every consumer of art gets to decide for themselves how much the life of the artist matters to them. Sometimes brilliant creative geniuses are assholes. Sometimes they're criminals. Sometimes that makes a difference to how you read their work. Sometimes it doesn't. The words of twenty-six-year-old me, pouring forth my passionate love for MZB's words, remain untouched and unedited below. Because that story, of how I fell in love with that book as a child, is still a true story. I haven't decided whether I will re-read this book again, whether I will keep it or get rid of it, knowing the things I know now about the woman who wrote it. And I'm not telling you what you should do. But MZB's daughter says out loud not only that her mother abused her, but that part of the reason she hid that abuse was because of MZB's status in the SFF community as a champion of women. Because she didn't think anyone would believe her. Because this is an important feminist work. Because her mother's fans would be angry at her for accusing their icon of such horrors. And I won't be complicit in that. --Claire Willett (June 27, 2014)ORIGINAL REVIEW BELOW________________________________________You have to be a particular kind of girl to fall in love with this book the way I did.--You have to be in the sixth grade, a freakishly precocious reader, whose beloved sixth-grade teacher brings a box of her ten favorite books to class and sets them up on the chalkboard and leaves them there for weeks for you to look at, including one HUGE book that looks like it's a billion pages long with some cool fairy priestess chick on a horse on the cover.--You have to have grown up reading King Arthur stories and LOVE the movie "The Sword In the Stone."--You have to be so hopelessly nerdy that you would rather sit on the side of the playground reading than play kickball, never mind how much the other kids make fun of you about it.--You have to be Catholic enough to understand the mentality of the occasionally hateful Christian characters in the book (as well as to be baffled and perplexed by all the sexuality which will make a number of plot elements only make sense to you when you re-read the book as a college student and go, "Ohhhhh. Now I get it").--You have to be the kind of girl who loves and relates to the plain outcast Morgaine who is treated as a freak has to learn how to rely on herself alone. --You have to hate the shallow blonde princesses, even when they seem like they might be kind of nice people, and always root for the feisty brunette. --You have to be a fantasy geek who LOVES any book with swordfighting, magic, princesses, and doomed romance. --You have to be patient enough to read 800+ pages that cover one woman's entire lifetime from before her birth to old, old age.--You have to come to the end of the book and secretly wish that (despite your religious conviction in your Catholic upbringing) Britain had never been Christianized and we were all still witches. --You have to secretly wish you belonged to a mystical female cult where you had to have a blue crescent moon tattooed on your forehead.--You have to wish you knew how to ride a horse in a dress and look majestic, instead of falling off every time you were forced onto a horse at camp or on vacation and now you hate them and they scare you.

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I read this book when I was in my mid-teens, and in the midst of an Arthurian obsession phase. These are mythical characters that have been written on so many times and by legendary figures who are almost myths themselves. It's a really hard subject to tackle without derision. I do think she filled a niche in what could otherwise be a very chauvinistic, idealized genre. I haven't read this recently, so I don't know if I would still connect to it as much as I did when I read it all those years ago. It teaches something about never taking a story for granted, and the fact that there's a side even to the purportedly evil people that can be more sympathetic than we realize. It's like "Wicked" in that way, only less cliched. Plus, this one was first!
—Kelly

This review can also be found on Book Girl of Mur-y-Castell-blog.I’ve been actively reading and reviewing books for a year and a half now. In that time, my criteria for rating a book on the one to five stars scale has changed a couple of times. A few things still hold true. The book has to be exceptional and leave an indelible impression to get a five star rating from me. Three stars remains my meh-rating. It’s a book that I can objectively call a good one, something I might have even enjoyed reading, but it’s also something I can easily forget and move on.My one star rating however, that’s changed the most. At first it was anything and everything I simply didn’t like. If the offences added up to a certain point I’d give it a one star rating no matter what redeemable qualities I’d find in it. But as I read more and actually started thinking about it, I realised there are books that aren’t even worthy of that single star, books that are, to me, beneath contempt. To compensate, I adjusted my personal rating scale and now one star is reserved to books that induce burning white rage in me. I’ve given good ratings to books with characters I’ve hated when I enjoyed the story, and I’ve given good ratings to books with stories I’ve hated even when I loved a character or two. For me, the style matters little, but dammit, it matters.And I’m not talking about the clunky language that in a way fits the subject and the legend, but takes a while to get used to. Ms. Bradley set out to write a retelling of the Arthurian legend from the female perspective, and in that she succeeded. She managed to put together a logical and a somewhat coherent version of the events that put King Arthur on his throne in Camelot and brought him down from it, and she managed to tell it with female voices. Igraine, Viviane, Morgaine, Gwenhwyfar, Morgause, all these women claw their way from the footnotes of the myth and become three dimensional people—not just characters, but people—with worries and joys of their own. Admittedly those joys were short-lived, but that’s partly why I loved the story. It’s why I love the legend as I do all things heart-rending.However, as wonderfully flawed all these people were with their virtues and their unbridled ambitions, none of them really had a choice in the matter. Ms. Bradley didn’t write people, women or men, who made the best of their unfortunate circumstances. She wrote people thrown about by the fates and whims of their deities. Morgaine’s last defence is that she never had a choice and that she was merely the Goddess’ instrument. And that’s why I hate this book. All the characters, as Ms. Bradley paints them, are passive. None are active. None make choices and then take responsibility for their actions. They’re all thrown into untenable situations where something must break and either give them that what they most wish or take it all away from them. Igraine marries because she doesn’t have a choice. She goes to convent, because she can’t bear to face the sister who forced her hand. Gwenhwyfar also marries, because she doesn’t have a choice. She first surrenders to her lover because she doesn’t have a choice. The only stupid choice she makes is so that the author has an excuse to make the pious lady into an adulteress without making her choose it.Morgaine, the worst offender, chooses nothing. The closest she comes to making up her own mind is when she flees Avalon, but after that she promptly becomes the meekest of them all. She, who should be the fearsome Lady of the Lake and High Priestess of the Goddess, how can she be a vehicle of her Goddess’ will when she does nothing but allows others act around her? Catalyst, you say? This isn’t a chemical reaction where one substance remains unchanged. People change, people make choices that change them and others around them. Unless, of course, you’re a character in The Mists of Avalon.But times were different then and women nothing but chattel, you say? There’s difference in being victimised and being a victim. All Morgaine and the others had to do to win me over, was not to see themselves as victims. All they had to do was to endure what was thrown at them and choose to make the best of it. All they had to do was to choose. Only Morgause and Viviane come close to choosing anything, and how are their choices rewarded? Why of course, they are the great villainesses whose actions lead to a family tragedy after a family tragedy. Their actions bring an end to all those things they love and they don’t live to see the aftermath or acknowledge their responsibility. Telling a story from the female perspective doesn’t make it feminist; writing capable women doing things, being active, and making choices does. This book is something worse; it’s a pretender. There are many things I appreciate in this book, one thing I don’t is how it all was told. That matters. Dammit.
—rameau

Though I am wont to blame the inescapability of genetics for various aspects of an Epicurean reading of Absurdism, I tend to pause, for some reason, in ascribing gender differences as stringently. It's difficult to say if this is simply a bias of wishful egalitarian thinking or truly an outgrowth of my understanding, for precisely the reasons that Epicureus is worthy to interrupt my many Suicides. So, when I say that women seem more than men to be capable of breaking the Tolkien Curse laid so thickly upon Modern Fantasy (barely proper), it is with trepidation.Flatly blaming rude and wretched socialization always seems easier; despite our inability to understand any First Cause. Original Sin infects us all.There is certainly something bound in the flesh which drives a breed of dwarfish, ill-socialized, fetish-loving escapists to blindly build and habitate an unoriginal world; and for a further gaggle of the nearly less-talented to consume it ravenously. It seems that, in the spirit of contrariness, when women find themselves thrust by love of horses or exceedingly lax tonsorial concerns into the same arena, that they fight a different fight.Perhaps they approach the incline from a different vantage; arriving not by way of a)Tolkien to b)Conan to c)some unspeakable modern half-wit, but by Malory, McKinley, and Spenser. Of course, one must not forget that the vein of Fantasy still runs, at least in part, through Austen; and that though those alloys be rarer, still inhabit the edges.Bradley has certainly taken a different tack on her way to the summit (never tor) of fantasy. She evokes Spenser, the Idylls, and all manner of other ridiculous romanticics of the Arthurian Mythos. She also endeavors to pull the characters out of the romantic and toward post-modern psychological conflict. On occasion, she even succeeds.There is an undeniable depth to the books, accompanied by a rather pleasing graying at the temples of morality which immediately places her at the opposite pole from her male contemporaries. That those poles are really not so far away somewhat lessens the impact, and one is eventually bound to recognize that there really is a reverse pole to the whole of our concept of fantasy marked somewhere in Peake's Titus trilogy. Actually, that's not true. One could very easily read a fantasy novel a week for life and never have to realize that Bradley is really only a little bit out there; but certainly enough to feel like a breath of the fresher.My Fantasy Book Suggestions
—J.G. Keely

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